Science finds Marijuana is bad for you

Originally posted by normbenign
I personally think that beer or marijuana ought to be a personal choice. That said, there is a difference!

You can drink a six pack of beer tonight, and tomorrow morning it is all urinated away. THC from marijuana can and does stay in brain tissue for months, years in heavy users.

If there is any fair comparison between Alcohol and THC........no there isn't any fair comparison.

It stays in fat tissue, not the brain. According to the link Eladar posted earlier (British medical advice) it is completely eliminated from the body after around 56 days.

Originally posted by Eladar
As long as I'm not the one who has to pay for the ramifications when the pot head needs to get help.

This is why individual freedom and Socialism are mutually exclusive.

As long as you are part of a society you will always have "to pay" when someone in that society is no longer able to aid in the production of goods and services, and you will generally stand to gain if people are aided in (again) becoming productive members of society. If this troubles you, you should become a hermit.

The young brain is more susceptible to damage from pot than adults. It targets undeveloped brains in a way it does not target adults. Which is why it should be legalized. The whole criminalization of pot came about because of basically one person who hated blacks and jazz musicians and there was another player, the cotton industry.

That person was a cretin by the name of Anslinger. He and the cotton industry got together, to make pot illegal. The cotton industry was after the hemp industry, hemp is decidedly superior to cotton in many ways for cloth and the cotton industry wanted a leg up and the way to do that was to destroy the reputation of hemp, which has practically zero THC. So that world class assshole Anslinger and the cotton industry won out.

Assslinger had his weapon against blacks, Mexicans and jazz musicians, the cotton industry destroyed the hemp industry, hundreds of thousands of people were jailed, some for 40 years for having a single joint.

Real American way.

You can see how well THAT turned out.

Originally posted by sonhouse

Real American way.

You can see how well THAT turned out.

Aren't various USA states way ahead of many other countries in the legalisation of marijuana?

Sonhouse don't buy into that "only in the US" mantra. The world has many things to thank the US for. All over the world there are examples of guvamint colluding with what should be private enterprise to set up protection rackets, sometimes legally, sometimes illegally, it's not a problem exclusive to the US by a long way. It's a consequence of goobermint having a franchise on the initiation of force and threats of force. At least the US has a document designed to keep the state in check.

Originally posted by twhitehead
I find that somewhat suspect, not least of which the 'if you're going to have' phrase which implies knowledge of the future and makes the whole statement something of a meaningless tautology.

Basically, what I mean is: it's genetic and if it's gonna be triggered, it's gonna be triggered. Usually before you're 25.

Originally posted by DeepThought
[b]And maijuana, cocaine (not crack) and LSD are not addictive.
Cannabis and cocaine are definitely addictive. In the case of cannabis it interferes with production of a chemical associated with sleep. Heavy users who stop get insomnia until the brain sorts itself out. The social consequences of cannabis addiction are minor, and not enough to ban its use.[/b]

It's not addictive.
As in: stop using it, you don't get the sweats, you don't shake and your kidney's don't shut down.

Alcohol is addictive.

Originally posted by twhitehead
Of course there is a difference, they are different drugs and they affect different organs in different ways. What we should be discussing is the important differences.

[b]You can drink a six pack of beer tonight, and tomorrow morning it is all urinated away. THC from marijuana can and does stay in brain tissue for months, years in heavy users.
B ...[text shortened]... ..no there isn't any fair comparison.[/b]
You can always compare them fairly. You chose not to.[/b]

There is no known long term damage from marijuana use.

Short term memory loss returns when you stop using it.

Originally posted by shavixmir
Basically, what I mean is: it's genetic and if it's gonna be triggered, it's gonna be triggered. Usually before you're 25.

Still a tautology without substance.

Lets assume what you really meant was 'if you have the genetic tendency, then it will be triggered'. What is the evidence for this? Where there any studies based on genetics, or did they only study those who were triggered?

Originally posted by twhitehead
Still a tautology without substance.

Lets assume what you really meant was 'if you have the genetic tendency, then it will be triggered'. What is the evidence for this? Where there any studies based on genetics, or did they only study those who were triggered?

A possible way in which one might investigate this, is to take a large group of people say when they are young teens, track them for a long time, and then look at the prevalence of mental issues and whether this prevalence is correlated to marijuana use. If no such correlation is found then one might be able to say that cannabis does not cause mental health issues.

Originally posted by twhitehead
Still a tautology without substance.

Lets assume what you really meant was 'if you have the genetic tendency, then it will be triggered'. What is the evidence for this? Where there any studies based on genetics, or did they only study those who were triggered?

Well, not being able to find the report and it being 25 years or so I read it... I can't be sure what they exactly studied.
However, it's reasonably safe to assume that only cases of triggered mental illness were measured.

Rest assured, you are either genetically inclined or not to those sorts of illness. They're not viral or contagious. I'm sure a quick google search will provide you with ample evidence.

Originally posted by shavixmir
Well, not being able to find the report and it being 25 years or so I read it... I can't be sure what they exactly studied.
However, it's reasonably safe to assume that only cases of triggered mental illness were measured.

Which makes your statement about them utterly meaningless. People who will put their shoes on tomorrow will put their shoes on tomorrow.

Rest assured, you are either genetically inclined or not to those sorts of illness.
That too is just stating the obvious and meaningless overall. You will either put your shoes on tomorrow or not.

They're not viral or contagious.
I never thought otherwise. That would kind of contradict what 'genetically inclined' means.

I'm sure a quick google search will provide you with ample evidence.
Evidence for what? You haven't said anything with any actual meaningful content.

Originally posted by twhitehead
Which makes your statement about them utterly meaningless. People who will put their shoes on tomorrow will put their shoes on tomorrow.

[b]Rest assured, you are either genetically inclined or not to those sorts of illness.
That too is just stating the obvious and meaningless overall. You will either put your shoes on tomorrow or not.

They'r ...[text shortened]... evidence.
Evidence for what? You haven't said anything with any actual meaningful content.[/b]

A. Marijuana is not addictive
B. Marijuana has no long term ill effects which are permanent
C. It no more triggers mental illness than masturbation or pear juice.

I really have no idea what you're jibbering on about.

Originally posted by shavixmir
A. Marijuana is not addictive
B. Marijuana has no long term ill effects which are permanent
C. It no more triggers mental illness than masturbation or pear juice.

I really have no idea what you're jibbering on about.

What you said is true. FOR ADULTS. For youngsters under say 18 or so, the brain is still being built and marijuana definitely interferes with the construction of the adult brain.

This is pretty well known.

http://www.livescience.com/51981-does-marijuana-change-the-brain.html

I was lucky, I didn't start smoking grass till I was 27 and my brain was more or less finished.

I can see the effects on younger ones though. Lets just say I know that for a fact.

Originally posted by shavixmir
C. It no more triggers mental illness than masturbation or pear juice.

I really have no idea what you're jibbering on about.

I was jibbering about your previous posts that had no real meaningful content.

If C is what you really wanted to say, it is false. There is strong evidence that it does trigger mental illness.

This source also says it is addictive:
http://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/healthadvice/problemsdisorders/cannabis.aspx

Originally posted by twhitehead
I was jibbering about your previous posts that had no real meaningful content.

If C is what you really wanted to say, it is false. There is strong evidence that it does trigger mental illness.

This source also says it is addictive:
http://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/healthadvice/problemsdisorders/cannabis.aspx

It does not.
If you're going to be mentally ill, it will rear its ugly head before you are 25. If you don't use marijuana until you are 25, then the chances of it triggering said mental illness is next to 0%.

Besides pregnant women. But it's the hormones during pregnancy which trigger it.

That was what the report said.
Agree with it, disagree with it or say that said report doesn't exist (which it does, but since I can't reproduce it, who's to say?).
But for Christ's sake stop jibbering on about whatever you are jabbering on about.
I really couldn't care less.

In fact, if I wanted your blatantly obstrusive opinion, I'd rattle a poop bucket.