Science finds Marijuana is bad for you

Originally posted by Eladar
Evidently 50 times is too much.

So... how about that point that you were making?

Originally posted by KazetNagorra
So... how about that point that you were making?

Most people who do pot use it enough to be harmful.

Originally posted by Eladar
Most people who do pot use it enough to be harmful.

...and therefore...?

Originally posted by Eladar
In the US the acceptance of Marijuana is among the social liberals.

There is marginally more support for its legalization amongst democrats.
http://iop.harvard.edu/survey/details/political-issue-marijuana

But this isn't because they use it more, it is because they are less hypocritical. As for those politicians who have admitted using it, it looks quite balanced:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_politicians_who_have_acknowledged_cannabis_use

So how do you explain social liberals being the ones to accept it when as I pointed out earlier the conservatives should by their own stated beliefs be more accepting?

Originally posted by Eladar
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/heavy-teen-marijuana-use-may-cut-life-short-by-60/

[b]The study looked at teenagers who had used marijuana more than 50 times.

Heavy dose means teenagers who use marijuana more than 50 times? I'm absolutely sure that everyone I knew growing up who smoked dope did it more than 50 times. They would get high at least once a week and that was in Jr. High.

And they try to say that smoking marijuana is not big deal.[/b]

In the 90's I read a report (for school) about drugs and mental health issues.
Basically what the ultimate finding was is that if you're going to have serious mental issues (bi-polar, schitzophrenia, etc.), you're going to get it no matter what. There will always be a trigger.
It went on: most of these severe mental health issues will manifest themselves before the age of 25; with one major exception: pregnancy (which at a later age csn still trigger these issues).

The report concluded that marijuhana use has the same trigger-ability as masturbation and that most drugs / alcohol should be avoided before the age of 25.
So... Over 25; and you've never been schitzophrenic, marijuana will not trigger it.

The report contained subsections on the effects of heavy longterm use of marijuana: short term memory loss. But the short term memory starts working again when the usage is stopped.
And maijuana, cocaine (not crack) and LSD are not addictive.
LSD stops working if you take it too often / frequent.

I wish I could reproduce this report (if my memory serves me... And it should, I've not been stoned for years... It was commissioned in the early 90's by the Dutch government and carried out by Leiden university).

Originally posted by shavixmir
Basically what the ultimate finding was is that if you're going to have serious mental issues (bi-polar, schitzophrenia, etc.), you're going to get it no matter what. There will always be a trigger.

I find that somewhat suspect, not least of which the 'if you're going to have' phrase which implies knowledge of the future and makes the whole statement something of a meaningless tautology.

Originally posted by shavixmir
In the 90's I read a report (for school) about drugs and mental health issues.
Basically what the ultimate finding was is that if you're going to have serious mental issues (bi-polar, schitzophrenia, etc.), you're going to get it no matter what. There will always be a trigger.
It went on: most of these severe mental health issues will manifest themselves ...[text shortened]... as commissioned in the early 90's by the Dutch government and carried out by Leiden university).

And maijuana, cocaine (not crack) and LSD are not addictive.
Cannabis and cocaine are definitely addictive. In the case of cannabis it interferes with production of a chemical associated with sleep. Heavy users who stop get insomnia until the brain sorts itself out. The social consequences of cannabis addiction are minor, and not enough to ban its use.

Politicians like Obama are living proof that pot does no harm whatsoever. 😵

Bill Clinton does not count because he did not inhale. 😠

Originally posted by KazetNagorra
Do you think having a beer is a big deal?

I personally think that beer or marijuana ought to be a personal choice. That said, there is a difference!

You can drink a six pack of beer tonight, and tomorrow morning it is all urinated away. THC from marijuana can and does stay in brain tissue for months, years in heavy users.

If there is any fair comparison between Alcohol and THC........no there isn't any fair comparison.

Originally posted by shavixmir
In the 90's I read a report (for school) about drugs and mental health issues.
Basically what the ultimate finding was is that if you're going to have serious mental issues (bi-polar, schitzophrenia, etc.), you're going to get it no matter what. There will always be a trigger.
It went on: most of these severe mental health issues will manifest themselves ...[text shortened]... as commissioned in the early 90's by the Dutch government and carried out by Leiden university).

So if you aren't yet 25 years of age, just masturbate. It's more fun than smoking weed!

Originally posted by normbenign
I personally think that beer or marijuana ought to be a personal choice. That said, there is a difference!

You can drink a six pack of beer tonight, and tomorrow morning it is all urinated away. THC from marijuana can and does stay in brain tissue for months, years in heavy users.

If there is any fair comparison between Alcohol and THC........no there isn't any fair comparison.

A comparison between the effects on (public) health can, of course, be made. The effects of the two drugs are different and not necessarily better or worse in any specific category. However, what "science finds" is that overall, alcohol is much more dangerous for one's health than is cannabis. When used in moderation and in the safety of one's home rather than say, while driving a vehicle, neither drug is "a big deal."

Originally posted by normbenign
I personally think that beer or marijuana ought to be a personal choice. That said, there is a difference!

Of course there is a difference, they are different drugs and they affect different organs in different ways. What we should be discussing is the important differences.

You can drink a six pack of beer tonight, and tomorrow morning it is all urinated away. THC from marijuana can and does stay in brain tissue for months, years in heavy users.
But the negative health effects of both are fairly permanent. The more relevant questions should be how they compare with 'normal' use and how they compare with abuse, and what percentage of people would use them normally or abuse them if they were both completely legal.

If there is any fair comparison between Alcohol and THC........no there isn't any fair comparison.
You can always compare them fairly. You chose not to.

Originally posted by twhitehead
There is marginally more support for its legalization amongst democrats.
http://iop.harvard.edu/survey/details/political-issue-marijuana

But this isn't because they use it more, it is because they are less hypocritical. As for those politicians who have admitted using it, it looks quite balanced:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_po ...[text shortened]... as I pointed out earlier the conservatives should by their own stated beliefs be more accepting?

I would submit that probably cheesecake is likely more harmful than marijuana. Of course, it gets sticky because a lot of cheesecake is consumed under the influence of the munchies.

How about the simple concept that it is our own business what we consume.

Originally posted by normbenign
I would submit that probably cheesecake is likely more harmful than marijuana. Of course, it gets sticky because a lot of cheesecake is consumed under the influence of the munchies.

How about the simple concept that it is our own business what we consume.

As long as I'm not the one who has to pay for the ramifications when the pot head needs to get help.

This is why individual freedom and Socialism are mutually exclusive.