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Originally posted by josephwAnother thread where you refuse to deal with the issues, chief of which is .. Is Roigam your father in law?
Another thread lost to the obfuscators.
Originally posted by Rajk999I am not my brother. Even the bible gets that, for a while. The issue is fear without knowledge, and the op shows that. The bible is just scribbles from the kids hiding in the fort behind the house.
Another thread where you refuse to deal with the issues, chief of which is .. Is Roigam your father in law?
Originally posted by KellyJay
Hebrews 6: 4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
" If anyone's work which he has built upon the foundation remains, he will receive a reward.
If anyone's work is consumed, he will suffer loss, but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire. " (1 Cor. 3:14,15)
Originally posted by sonshipI think all of us suffer loss, I think all of us have to go to God for forgiveness while we are
[quote] Hebrews 6: 4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afres ...[text shortened]... sake of Rajk999. So if you have comment or further question about this post, I'll check into it.
Originally posted by KellyJayI think all of us suffer loss, I think all of us have to go to God for forgiveness while we are living in this world.
"Therefore LEAVING ... the word of the beginning of Christ, let us be brought on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith in God, etc. "
"Therefore leaving the word of the beginning of Christ, let us be brought on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith in God, Of the teaching of baptisms and of the laying on of hands, of the resurrection of the dead and of eternal judgment." (vs.1,2)
"And this we will do if God permits." (v.3)
"And this we will do if God permits. For it is impossible for those who have once been enlightened ... etc. etc." (vs. 3,4a)
"And this we will do if God permits. (v3)
For it is impossible for those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit and have tasted of the good word of God and the powers of the age to come ... etc. etc." (v.4a)
"But we are persuaded of better things concerning you, beloved, and things which belong to salvation, though we speak thus." (v.9)
"And yet have fallen away, to renew themselves again unto repentance, crucifying again for themselves the Son of God and putting Him to open shame.
For the earth, which drinks the rain which often comes upon it and produces vegetation suitable to those for whose sake also it is cultivated, partakes of blessing from God.
But if it brings forth thorns and thistles, it is disapproved and near a curse, whose end is to be burned.
BUT ... we are persuaded of better things concerning you ... " (6-9a)
"For the earth, which drinks the rain which often comes upon it and produces vegetation suitable to those for whose sake also it is cultivated, partakes of blessing.
But if it brings forth thorns and thistles, it is disapproved and near a curse, whose end it to be burned." (vs. 7,8)
"The work of each will become manifest; for the day will declare it, because it is revealed by fire, and the fire itself will prove each one's work, of what sort it is.
If anyone's work which he has built upon the foundation remains, he will receive a reward;
If anyone's work is consumed, He will suffer loss, but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire." ( 1 Cor. 3:13-15)
Originally posted by KellyJayHe 6:6 “and then have fallen away it is impossible to renew them again to repentance.” This verse reflects the permanence of salvation that is spoken of in so many other places in the Epistles. This verse is not about losing salvation and not being able to regain it, although that is what many people think. If this verse were about losing one’s salvation, then we need to be clear about what it is saying, because it would be saying that if a saved person sins and loses his salvation, he cannot be forgiven and be saved again because that is “impossible.”
Hebrews 6: 4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put ...[text shortened]... now God fit this, or are there those
that did know God, and they walked away from Him fit this?
Originally posted by sonshipAgain, no one in Christ is going to be cast away. For me that is quite clear that those who
[b] I think all of us suffer loss, I think all of us have to go to God for forgiveness while we are living in this world.
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For certain we believers in Christ will suffer loss.
In this age before Christ's coming we will suffer loss. Some of us learn to ...[text shortened]... -------------------------------------
Understood.
Now let's look at the verses a little more.[/b]
Originally posted by checkbaiterI'm sorry we don't agree, I think this is no different than the one who sold his birthright for
He 6:6 “and then have fallen away it is impossible to renew them again to repentance.” This verse reflects the permanence of salvation that is spoken of in so many other places in the Epistles. This verse is not about losing salvation and not being able to regain it, although that is what many people think. If this verse were about losing one’s salvation ...[text shortened]... that God would tell us that our salvation is permanent.
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Originally posted by KellyJayThose who who are represented by the rocky soil and soil infested with weeds.
Hebrews 6: 4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put ...[text shortened]... now God fit this, or are there those
that did know God, and they walked away from Him fit this?
Originally posted by checkbaiter
If this verse were about losing one’s salvation, then we need to be clear about what it is saying, because it would be saying that if a saved person sins and loses his salvation, he cannot be forgiven and be saved again because that is “impossible.”
Originally posted by EladarMark 4:19 And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.
Those who who are represented by the rocky soil and soil infested with weeds.