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Originally posted by Rajk999I have many times, you just wish to ignore my reasons.
Exactly. But CB makes no effort to explain why he interprets the passage that way and appears surprised at any other interpretation
Originally posted by JS357Here is the passage and a bit more from the writer of Hebrews:
"The question : Is the writer saying something positive about those who fall away or something negative? "
I don't think that is the bone of contention. I think it is whether there are or can be any such enlightened people who actually fall away and thus cause God/Jesus such irritation. It is a variation on the OSAS dispute.
I think the writer of the ori ...[text shortened]... d ambiguous.
Edit, of course under CB's interpretation the passage is an unnecessary warning.
Originally posted by checkbaiterYou said this in part:
I have many times, you just wish to ignore my reasons.
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeSorry I missed your post and yes, the Timothy quote is an appropriate parallel. Thanks
I would draw parallel with 2 Timothy 2:12:
'If we endure, we will also reign with him. If we disown him, he will also disown us.'
I think the meaning is quite clear.
Originally posted by Rajk999It is ambiguous but my money is on
Can you read this and give me a simple answer:
For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. (Hebrews 6:4-6 KJV)
Originally posted by wolfgang59Thanks for your input and I agree with your goodies comment. These guys have a distinct advantage who were given all these things and then they fell away. Note that to fall away is not just commit sins but abandon God and Jesus Christ and the teachings.
It is ambiguous but my money is on
"If you have experienced all the goodies then you have no excuse."
Now that could be taken as a threat to Believers and/or a promise to non-Believers.