Originally posted by finnegan But by and large, not perpetrated by children. However, a large proportion of the 2,200 Palestinians killed in Gaza last Summer were children.
And these could have been avoided mainly if Hamas had not placed their rocket launchers in schoolyards and encouraged Gaza families to camp near them.
But then negative publicity for Israel, especially in the Isreali-favoring West, could only benefit Hamas. Especially if children are killed by Israel. It garners a lot more sympathy for their cause than just sending children strapped with bombs through the tunnels into Israel.
Originally posted by vivify It's kind of like when a small kid punches a much larger kid. The much larger hits him back and easily injures the smaller kid. People who look at the scene then call the larger kid a bully.
That's the Israeli-Palestinian situation right now.
More like when the larger child kicks the small child out of his seat in class, then when the small child kicks him in the shin punches him in the face and starts crying that the small child started it, and the small child is expelled from school.
Israel is a bully, one with tanks and an air force.
Originally posted by vivify Is there any record of human rights violations from Palestinians?
Yes, but not nearly as large as the record against Israel; and that started earlier, too, when they evicted the Palestinians from their centuries-old homes and (this would be ironic if it weren't so predictable) put them in concentration camps and bombed them there.
Pretending that this violence started when the nasty Ay-Raebs invaded innocent little Israel is hypocrisy of the highest order. The violence started with zionist terrorism against the English occupation before the war, and continued with Israeli state terrorism against the existing Palestinian population of the land. Defendents of Israel's actions like to pretend that Israel was founded in a lost, empty land and only then attacked by their hater neighbours; the facts are, unfortunately, different. Israel started with an attack on the Palestinians, who have suffered ever since.
Originally posted by Shallow Blue Yes, but not nearly as large as the record against Israel; and that started earlier, too, when they evicted the Palestinians from their centuries-old homes and (this would be ironic if it weren't so predictable) put them in concentration camps and bombed them there.
Pretending that this violence started when the nasty Ay-Raebs invaded innocent little I ...[text shortened]... ely, different. Israel started with an attack on the Palestinians, who have suffered ever since.
True but also the Palestinians are volunteering to sign up to the International Criminal Court and invite external scrutiny of potential war crimes and offices against human rights not only by the Israeli Defence Force but also Hamas and the Palestinian side. Israel and the USA on the other hand belong to a select and very small band of nations, Sudan being another, who not only refuse to allow external scrutiny of their actions but also decline to apply the norms of international law to their own self scrutiny.
Originally posted by finnegan True but also the Palestinians are volunteering to sign up to the International Criminal Court and invite external scrutiny of potential war crimes and offices against human rights not only by the Israeli Defence Force but also Hamas and the Palestinian side. Israel and the USA on the other hand belong to a select and very small band of nations, Sudan bei ...[text shortened]... eir actions but also decline to apply the norms of international law to their own self scrutiny.
many of them understand they can't win the hamas way. the only way they can win a country for themselves is by eroding outside support for israel
Originally posted by Shallow Blue More like when the larger child kicks the small child out of his seat in class, then when the small child kicks him in the shin punches him in the face and starts crying that the small child started it, and the small child is expelled from school.
Israel is a bully, one with tanks and an air force.
The land Israel sits on wasn't taken by Israel, but given to them by the U.N. to share with the Palestinians. Using your analogy, this would mean the smaller child kicked and punched the larger chid because the teacher said he could have that seat, and the smaller kid didn't want to share classroom space. The bigger kid is then seen as a bully for hitting the smaller kid back.
Originally posted by Shallow Blue Yes, but not nearly as large as the record against Israel; and that started earlier, too, when they evicted the Palestinians from their centuries-old homes and (this would be ironic if it weren't so predictable) put them in concentration camps.
Didn't a Israel remove the Palestinians due to fear of violence from angry Palestinians who made it clear they weren't happy with Isreal being given land by the U.N.? If so, that would mean the Israelis actions were justified. Since revolts had erupted, I don't see why Isreal is blamed for kicking them out.
Originally posted by killzionism What are people's thoughts and knowledge on the continuing oppression of the Palestinian people from Zionist Israel?
I think that what this board needs is another brand new poster with a hateful handle to come on and recycle the issue with no new information, thoughts or insights added.
Originally posted by Shallow Blue More like when the larger child kicks the small child out of his seat in class, then when the small child kicks him in the shin punches him in the face and starts crying that the small child started it, and the small child is expelled from school.
Israel is a bully, one with tanks and an air force.
The fight wasn't started by the little or big child but by the little child's three older brothers who have since skulked off in shame after having tried to beat up the big child but embarrassingly having their butts kicked by the big child, but still from time to time scream about getting their revenge on the big child and who still like to egg on the smaller child to provoke the larger child and then love to run to the principal when the provocation causes the larger child to act out.
Originally posted by finnegan True but also the Palestinians are volunteering to sign up to the International Criminal Court and invite external scrutiny of potential war crimes and offices against human rights not only by the Israeli Defence Force but also Hamas and the Palestinian side. Israel and the USA on the other hand belong to a select and very small band of nations, Sudan bei ...[text shortened]... eir actions but also decline to apply the norms of international law to their own self scrutiny.
Obviously, Israel has no confidence in the ICC's objectivity. A quick look at the General Assembly's history of voting on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict should demonstrate why.
Originally posted by Zahlanzi many of them understand they can't win the hamas way. the only way they can win a country for themselves is by eroding outside support for israel
Do you realise you are verifying Suzianne's post. (Which I have taken liberty to cut & paste below).
Originally posted by Suzianne
And these could have been avoided mainly if Hamas had not placed their rocket launchers in schoolyards and encouraged Gaza families to camp near them.
But then negative publicity for Israel, especially in the Isreali-favoring West, could only benefit Hamas. Especially if children are killed by Israel. It garners a lot more sympathy for their cause than just sending children strapped with bombs through the tunnels into Israel
Originally posted by sh76 The fight wasn't started by the little or big child but by the little child's three older brothers who have since skulked off in shame after having tried to beat up the big child but embarrassingly having their butts kicked by the big child, but still from time to time scream about getting their revenge on the big child and who still like to egg on the smaller ...[text shortened]... d and then love to run to the principal when the provocation causes the larger child to act out.
The "innocent Israel was viciously attacked by Arab bullies in 1948" fairy tale is complete BS and you know it.
The Zionists self-declared themselves a State in the midst of a war they were waging against the majority of the population in Palestine. They had no legal authority to do either; the claim that the GA partition scheme "gave" them anything is spurious; it was non-binding and never accepted by the Palestinian people.
Your analogy is (ahem) childish. I guess you and other Zionists take a lot of pride in Israel's military superiority over other States and peoples and their ability to murder and oppress with impunity. That is pathological.
Originally posted by sh76 Obviously, Israel has no confidence in the ICC's objectivity. A quick look at the General Assembly's history of voting on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict should demonstrate why.
Criminals rarely have confidence in the criminal justice system.
Originally posted by Suzianne And these could have been avoided mainly if Hamas had not placed their rocket launchers in schoolyards and encouraged Gaza families to camp near them.
But then negative publicity for Israel, especially in the Isreali-favoring West, could only benefit Hamas. Especially if children are killed by Israel. It garners a lot more sympathy for their cause than just sending children strapped with bombs through the tunnels into Israel.
This is the standard Israeli propaganda line. But Amnesty International found that ""Israeli forces have brazenly flouted the laws of war by carrying out a series of attacks on civilian homes, displaying callous indifference to the carnage caused," and ""The report exposes a pattern of attacks on civilian homes by Israeli forces which have shown a shocking disregard for the lives of Palestinian civilians, who were given no warning and had no chance to flee,"
Over 500 children were killed last year in Gaza by Israeli bombs, shells and bullets. Claiming that this was just some unfortunate accident or their own fault is the purest of baloney.
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