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http://www.nationalreview.com/article/444668/whistle-blower-scientist-exposes-shoddy-climate-science-noaa
Originally posted by sonhouseI fear one terrible consequence of that is that it would give that moron Trump an 'excuse' (but not a valid one) to stop valid climate science and destroy data on global warming to cover it up.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/444668/whistle-blower-scientist-exposes-shoddy-climate-science-noaa
Originally posted by humyOh yeah. They will jump on that one. And all the other climate deniers to boot. Think how metalhead will love this one.
I fear one terrible consequence of that is that it would give that moron Trump an excuse to stop valid climate science and destroy data on global warming to cover it up.
Originally posted by sonhouseIn reality, nothing more than overblown journalistic licence making up stuff. But it sure will be taken the wrong way by people who can't read or don't want to read.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/444668/whistle-blower-scientist-exposes-shoddy-climate-science-noaa
Originally posted by sonhouseIt is ironic that biased journalists publish biased articles about scientific bias. According to this article, losing your data is "the most Obama-esque move" (whatever that means). Also they state that the purpose of the study was for "a team of scientists to challenge the IPCC findings and prove that the [global warming] hiatus did not exist" but they don't have evidence for that. The whistle-blower did not even participate in the study. Rather, these scientists were testing a specific hypothesis to explain why there was a global warming hiatus. The bias is assumed. Furthermore, many studies have since confirmed the results (with the requisite data intact). Tragically, well meaning but conservative-leaning folks who read the National Review just believe the headline, instead of doing their homework:
Oh yeah. They will jump on that one. And all the other climate deniers to boot. Think how metalhead will love this one.
Originally posted by wildgrassI don't want to be seen as jumping on the bandwagon but it seems convenient the actual data was lost. That is not professional at the very least.
It is ironic that biased journalists publish biased articles about scientific bias. According to this article, losing your data is "the most Obama-esque move" (whatever that means). Also they state that the purpose of the study was for "a team of scientists to challenge the IPCC findings and prove that the [global warming] hiatus did not exist" but they do ...[text shortened]... nal Science, you have to expect that someone's going to scrutinize every detail of the raw data.
Originally posted by sonhouseI agree that it is very suspicious, and no doubt unprofessional, that there was no data backup. I imagine it would have been more convenient, however, to have the data available. I'm sure the researchers spent a lot of time scrambling over this.
I don't want to be seen as jumping on the bandwagon but it seems convenient the actual data was lost. That is not professional at the very least.
Originally posted by wildgrassI find it hilarious that he is even called a 'whistle-blower'. It really isn't that much that he had to say, yet to look at the headlines you would think the whole of climate science has been upended. Modern reporting is sadly dishonest and/or uneducated and will do anything for a headline. The reason for this is simple: almost all modern media is for profit and thus the primary motivator is getting the story out there. The truth is often secondary and just as often irrelevant.
The whistle-blower made no such claim. His beef was that the archiving and data processing procedures were not appropriately followed prior to this paper's publication.
Originally posted by wildgrassI read the original blog post, available here [1]. The difficulty is that while the result may be correct the method has relatively little credibility, or so Bates claims. Although Bates does not go so far as to accuse them of actually faking data because the data hasn't been archived properly it could have been. Science is all about method, knowledge is justified belief that is true, and because we are stuck with imperfect truth tests the justificatory process needs to be reliable or we are liable to get wrong answers. If I guess then I might be right, but I can't claim knowledge because there is no justification for my guess, my future guesses may not be right so the method is unreliable, science relies on reliability.
I agree that it is very suspicious, and no doubt unprofessional, that there was no data backup. I imagine it would have been more convenient, however, to have the data available. I'm sure the researchers spent a lot of time scrambling over this.
But a failure to produce the data does not necessarily imply fraud. Things like this do happen. We had one s ...[text shortened]... has ignited a political firestorm though. I just saw a Washington Post article on this subject.
Originally posted by DeepThoughtI agree, mostly. The rat race towards publication is potentially concerning in academia. But it is also a pretty good measure of productivity. And since your scientific reputation depends on the validity of your published results, it tends to discourage fraud and data manipulation. I don't know that a better system is available, but reform is probably necessary.
I read the original blog post, available here [1]. The difficulty is that while the result may be correct the method has relatively little credibility, or so Bates claims. Although Bates does not go so far as to accuse them of actually faking data because the data hasn't been archived properly it could have been. Science is all about method, knowledge ...[text shortened]... e that or not.
[1] https://judithcurry.com/2017/02/04/climate-scientists-versus-climate-data/
Originally posted by wildgrassWas the student who compromised the cells held accountable in a legal sense?
I agree that it is very suspicious, and no doubt unprofessional, that there was no data backup. I imagine it would have been more convenient, however, to have the data available. I'm sure the researchers spent a lot of time scrambling over this.
But a failure to produce the data does not necessarily imply fraud. Things like this do happen. We had one s ...[text shortened]... has ignited a political firestorm though. I just saw a Washington Post article on this subject.
Originally posted by sonhouseNo. I wasn't privy to the decision making on that front, but I think it would have been unproductive and distracting. It's hard to prove intent and time-consuming and does not benefit the lab.
Was the student who compromised the cells held accountable in a legal sense?