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    05 Dec '16 22:15
    Originally posted by Eladar
    What he is describing will takes years. Don't get impatient and don't worry about losing.

    When you get done, all you can expect to do is have more to think about and lose to better players. Oh yeah, you will also shrink the pool of people you meet in life who can stand a chance against you. Net result, no one you know will play you.
    Not years.
    Few months of reading, than paid chess course with good trainer (as for TM meditation or for psychoterapy, one has to pay; not that I would know anything of shrinks, since I live in socialism, and here shrinks are serving only to guest in TV shows and to write educational arrticles) than regular chess study as it is his hobby.
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    05 Dec '16 22:241 edit
    Originally posted by Deputy Daddy
    Is there 10-15 books that you would recommend for beginners or someone of my level. I just started watch Robbies videos on YouTube. Hopefully I will learn something. How much do you think a few hours of instruction per week would go for? I'm not rich and my 7 kids have bleed my almost completely dry, but I do have some disposable income.
    Regarding the books, I had in mind a dozen of which I have already mentioned here, from general theory (strategic) by Watson, Bronznik etc., both Zurich books, plus Timman's and Nunn's book with analyses-in-dept of their and others' games.

    Speaking of chess course, I had in mind 4 weeks course (speedy) with twice ore once a week meeting with your guru, but you should be prepared as following:
    - analyze your most significant, best most typical games
    (edit - annotate them extensively)
    - study above mentioned books.

    After this you should accept chess as your hobby as filatelists or train modem makers do, and devote regulalry a certain amount of time to chess, specially before an open you are going to compete at.

    But if your life with bunch of kids and bills really resembles Bollywood film tragedy, so I don't know then, maybe you need am evening course for a job in IT area or something like that, not to waste time on chess, which is basicly poorly masked bachelors' comfort for losers in life.
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    06 Dec '16 00:26
    Originally posted by vandervelde
    Not years.
    Few months of reading, than paid chess course with good trainer (as for TM meditation or for psychoterapy, one has to pay; not that I would know anything of shrinks, since I live in socialism, and here shrinks are serving only to guest in TV shows and to write educational arrticles) than regular chess study as it is his hobby.
    How much time each day? How quickly does the average person translate chess notation into something intelligible?

    If you have never read a chess book it takes time. What takes you a few months would take me much longer I think.
  4. Standard memberDeputy Daddy
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    07 Dec '16 03:37
    Originally posted by Eladar
    How much time each day? How quickly does the average person translate chess notation into something intelligible?

    If you have never read a chess book it takes time. What takes you a few months would take me much longer I think.
    I agree with this 100% I still have a hard time with reading and writing notation. I also have to physically set up a a board to match a books position for me to see it clearly and even then sometimes it is difficult. Unfortunetly most chess grand masters expertise does not translate into written form.
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    07 Dec '16 13:46
    Originally posted by Deputy Daddy
    I agree with this 100% I still have a hard time with reading and writing notation. I also have to physically set up a a board to match a books position for me to see it clearly and even then sometimes it is difficult. Unfortunetly most chess grand masters expertise does not translate into written form.
    If you think you need to play like a grandmaster to get better, you are mistaken.

    Greenpawn demonstrated this by looking at a bad opening by grandmaster standards, but when played at lower levels actually wins. A bad move is only a bad move if your opponent understands why it is bad and takes advantage.

    You aren't playing against grandmasters. You just need to know what will work against people your level, then make adjustments as you improve.
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    07 Dec '16 15:27
    You know, guys, go to hell.
    This was the last time I offered a piece of unsolicited advice.
    I have that enough in Serbia, it is exactly how Serbian mentality is - namely, they ask questions and ask for opinion or/and advice, and then everyone around turns against the advice-giver, as he had secret agenda or as if they knew better at first place.
    Okay, kill me, bros, kill me gently, because I stupidly reached out with the damned piece of advice.
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    07 Dec '16 16:101 edit
    Hi Deputy Daddy,

    Join a chess club and play and play and play.
    (I was once a member a of 3 clubs all the same time so I played
    in different regional leagues and all their club championships etc...
    And I played postal chess by snail mail.

    Keep a score of the games, even skittles games.

    BOOKS! (and what to get first....)

    What bugs me about books for learners reviewed by GM's and IM's
    who say it is good is: "How Do They Know?"

    What we want to know is what book they read that made them good.
    The only person who can give an honest review of a chess book for
    the student...is the student in 20 -30 years time.

    That out the way I can therefore only tell you what worked for me.

    Chernev' most Instructive Games and his 'Logical Chess.' Players of my age
    usually always mention these two books. They have a proven track record.

    I can only give you that honest answer. I've heard other modern books are good
    but I cannot put my hand on my heart and say "Yes...a good book." How do I know?

    I always add: 200 miniature's by Du Mont which I went through first,
    not by design, but because it was one of the first none beginner books I had.
    The first two you can pick up almost anywhere, the latter is here:

    http://www.chessedinburgh.co.uk/chandlerarticle.php?ChandID=4

    and here:

    http://www.chessedinburgh.co.uk/chandlerarticle.php?ChandID=3

    No notes, just the bare score. Play through them and soon a whole
    series of tactical ideas will emerge, weak opening play is punished.
    in the most instructive way possible all the time asking yourself,
    why this? why not this? how did that happen?
    (if you get Logical Chess see if you can spot the mistake in Game One)

    Hopefully you will get bitten by the "I want to play these combinations as well' bug.
    It did for me and there is nothing else I can say about that. It worked for me.

    If for any reason you come across something you do not understand,
    come back here, there are a dozen of so good players who will keep you right.

    You will an Endgame book - they basic theory of practical endings has not changed
    for 100 or so years. You just need the basics. Practical Chess Ending by Keres.

    When I got good (it happens) I discovered my endings were very scrappy
    (a lot worse than they are even now. a lot worse.) and I was seeing more
    of the, because I was meeting players and the games were lasting longer.

    I got that book and it sorted me out. Again it's a what worked for me answer
    but here any endgame book that gives the basics is good enough to start with.

    Forget these fannies who tell you study the ending, at the moment you will
    never see one.

    The fannies will howl that Karpov said first study the endings.
    Yes! but Karpov's first the endings quote is very much misunderstood.

    The Russian approach.to beginners (which has been copied in many
    English text books) is first master King & Queen/Rook v lone King mates
    and how win or save a game in a KP v K endgame then drop endings and
    get onto the openings and most important of all, the middle game.

    The plan being armed with the basic's you now know enough that losing a
    piece is bad because of trade downs into a simply lost ending and winning
    a piece, you trade down to win the ending.

    Of course there is much more to know and learn in the Middle game
    that is the heart of the game. Where games are won or lost,
    But if you do it without the endgame technique you will chase a King around
    the board with a Rook not knowing what to do or lose a drawn KP v K ending.

    That is how Karpov learned the game and he gave an honest one sentence answer to
    the question 'What is the best way to learn Chess?, not the best way to get better at it.


    I looked at a game.

    One game is never enough, 10 - 15 OTBH games would be ideal but
    I don't have the time so based on one game (which is unfair, I have a few
    stinkers on here which taken one by one would make look like an idiot. )
    But I saw three pawn moves and a reluctance to assume the initiative.


    You have put on some kicking boots on, at the moment you
    are going into a street fight wearing pink fluffy bedroom slippers.


    Deputy Daddy - EMB145CAPT RHP 2016







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  8. Standard memberbyedidia
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    07 Dec '16 16:19
    Deputy Daddy, Vandervelde has a point. If you ask for advice, don't argue about why the advice is difficult for you to implement. Try it. See if you can make it work for you. You said you are having trouble making progress. Maybe the reason you are having trouble making progress is ultimately because you cannot read chess notation. It would be like saying "I'm having trouble learning history, can you help." And someone suggests some books to read, and you reply, "I can't make out all those lines and circles." Learn to read. Literacy is the first step to learning anything. If you can write it down or talk about it without pictures, you can understand it better. Learning to read chess notation doesn't take that long. I teach six-year-olds to do it all the time.

    Vandervelde, don't let two nay sayers turn you off. I personally like to read what you have to say, even when I have to work to understand some of it. Keep at it. Offer your advice. You make the world a better place for it.
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    07 Dec '16 17:192 edits
    I don't think anyone jumped all over V. I started to learn chess at the age of 38 so I know what it is like to order a chess book and spend days just trying to figure out the first game. I'm not sure people who grew up playing chess understand time constraints and limited knowledge of adults.

    My point was just time. One book at a time and see what you learn. Yes, I can read and follow books more easily especially since my visualization skills have gotten better. Still not great, but much better than when I started.

    I thought Simple Chess was a pretty good book that explains concepts in a way that can be easily understood.

    One other thing, I want to get better does not always mean I want to compete in over the board competition and win tournaments.
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    07 Dec '16 17:31
    You know what might not be a bad place to look are the learning academies in chess master.
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    I really think that board vision is something you need to develop.

    If you use the Purdy method you should check every file, every rank and every diagonal before you decide what to do.

    If you use the Greenpawn method you should always check the result of your move before hitting submit. Check every file, rank and every diagonal as well as knights and such before hitting submit.

    Takes time and most of the time it won't help, but it only takes on blunder to lose a game. At your level, chess is not won by making good moves, chess is lost by making bad move.
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    08 Dec '16 18:45
    Originally posted by Eladar
    I really think that board vision is something you need to develop.

    If you use the Purdy method you should check every file, every rank and every diagonal before you decide what to do.

    If you use the Greenpawn method you should always check the result of your move before hitting submit. Check every file, rank and every diagonal as well as knights and su ...[text shortened]... a game. At your level, chess is not won by making good moves, chess is lost by making bad move.
    I make that comment then I lose a game because I did not check a check. What comes around goes around I suppose.
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    08 Dec '16 21:29
    Edward Lasker's Chess Strategy is a classic read:

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Chess-Strategy-Dover-Edward-Lasker/dp/0486205282/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1481232169&sr=1-3&keywords=Edward+Lasker

    Developing mental discipline is indispensible; Lasker will help you do that. Understanding general principles is more important than calculating variations or memorising openings, Lasker will help you do that.
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    08 Dec '16 21:552 edits
    Originally posted by Deputy Daddy
    I really want to get better, but I need to learn where I make mistakes and where I can improve. I was curious if someone can help break this game down to see what I did wrong and missed opportunities.

    Game Id: 11969127
    Use the free tactics websites online to practice. At your current level of play, you are not noticing it when your opponent hands you a free Queen, so "strategy" books might be premature.
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    09 Dec '16 04:041 edit
    It seems Chess is a TIME eater.
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    I mean chess needs Years. Many years.
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    I read the blog of an ex-RHP member, and he said: 'Do tactics'
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    Tactics worked for him.
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    http://burncastleburn.blogspot.ca/2006/02/30-000-problems-done-at-cts.html
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    He did a lot of tactics at CTS.!!
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    I didn't.
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