Originally posted by Quarl Why would anyone seeking to be president of the U.S.A. say he doesn't want the U.S. to be more like the U.S.?
The idea seems absolutely daft to me:
Would a prospective leader of Great Britain say he wants to be more like Italy?
Would a prospective leader of France say he desires France to be more like Spain?
I submit that if anyone, vying for leaders ...[text shortened]... to these proposals or what the poster ascribed to Sanders, they would be dismissed out of hand.
As a matter of fact Tony Blair advocated cafe culture, wanting to make us more like the French. Happily we still have pubs.
Originally posted by KazetNagorra All my life I have lived in places where I could stop working and get enough to eat, housing, heavily subsidized education, health care etc.
I wonder why the prospect of doing nothing all day didn't appeal to me as much as it apparently does to you.
Well if we empower women at once, we can all stop working.
Originally posted by RJHinds [b]11 Ways Finland’s Education System Shows Us that “Less is More”.
April 15, 2015 / kellyj1111
When I left my 7th grade math classroom for my Fulbright research assignment in Finland I thought I would come back from this experience with more inspiring, engaging, innovative lessons. I expected to have great new ideas on how to teach my mathematics ...[text shortened]... http://fillingmymap.com/2015/04/15/11-ways-finlands-education-system-shows-us-that-less-is-more/[/b]
Is this a direct "pull-out" from your recent autobiography? Will there be another installment?
Originally posted by KazetNagorra The answer to the question is "yes." That is, if you want a stronger economy, accessible, high-quality education and health care, excellent infrastructure and public transport, higher life expectancy, lower poverty, lower income inequality, lower gender inequality, etc. etc. etc.
A stronger economy? Do you have a source of information to demonstrate that is the case?
There is also the claim that democratic socialism would be less efficient than capitalism in the USA. You make it seem like it is a "slam dunk" and the USA would be obviously better off. Perhaps you are also biased in favor of leftist political policies. I doubt it is as simple as you think.
Originally posted by Metal Brain A stronger economy? Do you have a source of information to demonstrate that is the case?
There is also the claim that democratic socialism would be less efficient than capitalism in the USA. You make it seem like it is a "slam dunk" and the USA would be obviously better off. Perhaps you are also biased in favor of leftist political policies. I doubt it is as simple as you think.
It depends, of course, on how you define the "strength" of an economy. A simplistic measure is GDP per capita, for which Denmark and the US have about the same (Norway has a far higher GDP per capita). Start looking at measures which include broader measures of the quality of life (which is, in essence, what the strength of an economy amounts to) and Denmark powers ahead with ease. It is, in fact, a "slam dunk," although the basket is at ground level and the ball is light enough that it can be lifted by severely physically and mentally disabled people. Although there are, of course, those that instead claim that the ball does not exist.
Originally posted by KazetNagorra It depends, of course, on how you define the "strength" of an economy. A simplistic measure is GDP per capita, for which Denmark and the US have about the same (Norway has a far higher GDP per capita). Start looking at measures which include broader measures of the quality of life (which is, in essence, what the strength of an economy amounts to) and De ...[text shortened]... ed people. Although there are, of course, those that instead claim that the ball does not exist.
It may well be that there are elements of the Nordic economies that might be applied to the United States, but it is extremely doubtful that you could transplant that system into a culture that is totally different from where that system seems to work well.
And if you did that transformation, and it had poor results, how would you ever undo it?
The experience line is far longer for the US model, and there are elements of it in those Scandinavian miracles.
Originally posted by normbenign It may well be that there are elements of the Nordic economies that might be applied to the United States, but it is extremely doubtful that you could transplant that system into a culture that is totally different from where that system seems to work well.
And if you did that transformation, and it had poor results, how would you ever undo it?
The ...[text shortened]... ine is far longer for the US model, and there are elements of it in those Scandinavian miracles.
Why is it "extremely doubtful"? Denmark and the United States have very similar market economies in a global, intertwined economic system.
Originally posted by KazetNagorra Why is it "extremely doubtful"? Denmark and the United States have very similar market economies in a global, intertwined economic system.
You really have to ask?
Culturally the US and Denmark could not be more different. The US is more culturally diverse, even in many States than is Denmark. Danish culture is almost monolithic compared to the US.
It is also an Island nation where it is nearly impossible to even visit without government clearance. No porous borders with streams of illegal immigrants. Need I go on?
Originally posted by normbenign You really have to ask?
Culturally the US and Denmark could not be more different. The US is more culturally diverse, even in many States than is Denmark. Danish culture is almost monolithic compared to the US.
It is also an Island nation where it is nearly impossible to even visit without government clearance. No porous borders with streams of illegal immigrants. Need I go on?
Culturally Denmark is somewhat different from the US, although both are Western and there are many similarities. It is not clear to me how you think this affects the effectiveness of the Nordic socio-economic model.
Denmark is not an "island nation" and it is fairly easy to get into Denmark, which is a part of Schengen so all you need is a Schengen visa. It is also very easy for illegal immigrants to enter Denmark but they mostly prefer to request asylum elsewhere, where they have more chance of getting their application granted. Many of them go through Denmark to Sweden and request asylum there.
So yes, please go on. Maybe you will manage to come up with something.
Originally posted by KazetNagorra Culturally Denmark is somewhat different from the US, although both are Western and there are many similarities. It is not clear to me how you think this affects the effectiveness of the Nordic socio-economic model.
Denmark is not an "island nation" and it is fairly easy to get into Denmark, which is a part of Schengen so all you need is a Schengen v ...[text shortened]... request asylum there.
So yes, please go on. Maybe you will manage to come up with something.
He's bobbing and weaving, but what he wants to say is that Denmark doesn't have a significant black population, a majority of whom just want to be on welfare or committing mob crimes against whites.
Originally posted by KazetNagorra Culturally Denmark is somewhat different from the US, although both are Western and there are many similarities. It is not clear to me how you think this affects the effectiveness of the Nordic socio-economic model.
Denmark is not an "island nation" and it is fairly easy to get into Denmark, which is a part of Schengen so all you need is a Schengen v ...[text shortened]... request asylum there.
So yes, please go on. Maybe you will manage to come up with something.
Your answers are not real answers. The biggest difference between Danish and US culture is diversity. Many US States are more diverse culturally than Denmark.
Another problem is that of longevity. The US model has produced a long term standard of living, whereas the Nordic miracles are relative flashes in the pan, in nations no larger than many populous US States, and without the problems and advantages of divided government.
Thanks, but no thanks. I'm not willing to throw away what has worked well for two centuries plus, for some Nordic miracle.
Feel free to move there yourself, but I'm perfectly happy where I am, and don't want to see it change dramatically.
Originally posted by normbenign Your answers are not real answers. The biggest difference between Danish and US culture is diversity. Many US States are more diverse culturally than Denmark.
Another problem is that of longevity. The US model has produced a long term standard of living, whereas the Nordic miracles are relative flashes in the pan, in nations no larger than many popul ...[text shortened]... here yourself, but I'm perfectly happy where I am, and don't want to see it change dramatically.
Again, it is not clear by what mechanism the alleged greater "diversity" would lead to failure of the Nordic model if applied in the United States. Can you be more specific?
The Nordic socio-economic model is now almost 100 years old and is actually not so different from what was gradually implemented in the US in the 1950s and 60s before this course was eventually abandoned. The War on Poverty started with some early successes, but after some questionable commanders entered the battlefield many of the gains were lost.
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