Originally posted by normbenign
So some constituencies you don't like are opposed to current levels of immigration? Nations exist due to borders, language and culture. Protecting those is important to some people.
Nations exist due to borders of course, but rarely coincide with either language or culture. The attempt to impose uniformity on populations that are actually diverse has been consistently a disaster and a stain on the record of humanity.
Britain is called the "United Kingdom" to reflect, in fact, that it is comprised of a number of distinct cultural and language groups, with different although overlapping histories, despite a strong effort (especially in the Education Acts of the 1870s) to impose uniformity.
After centuries of violence, the EU reflects a real effort to make borders and cultural differences less divisive of peoples in Europe who actually share a common history and many common values, regardless of their cultural differences. The claim that the EU harms local cultures is unfounded. As seen in the recent Scottish referendum, the EU provides a framework within which it is more possible, not less so, to express local cultures. Cultural diversity is a great attribute of the EU - not uniformity.
The nation state is largely an ideological goal, devised in the Nineteenth century Europe as an antidote to French cultural and military imperialism. The attempt to achieve cultural uniformity is in practice deeply oppressive. The relative uniformity of language and values in the USA was achieved through violence.
At Versailles in 1918, Wilson's attempt to extend the delights of the nation state to other regions, not least the former Ottoman Empire, has proven disastrous. Indeed, the hymns sung to the rights of small nations, exemplified then in plucky little Belgium, were referring to the occupiers of one of the world's most vicious and destructive empires, in the Belgian Congo. Neither France nor Britain gave much shift for the rights of the small nations absorbed into their empires while America's Monroe Doctrine accompanied US interference throughout Central and South America. None of the dominant nation states have ever respected the rights of any less powerful state that got in their way.
Yugoslavia, Rwanda, Syria, Ukraine are not good exemplars of the benefits of cultural and language uniformity in the modern nation state.
Stop romanticising nations. Nationalism is a poison that does untold harm.