1. Standard memberKellyJay
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    12 Jun '14 19:22
    I don't think he does, but I could be wrong.
    Thoughts/
    Kelly
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    12 Jun '14 22:44
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    I don't think he does, but I could be wrong.
    Thoughts/
    Kelly
    Do you have a reasoned opinion or is this just a hunch?
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    12 Jun '14 23:42
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    I don't think he does, but I could be wrong.
    Thoughts/
    Kelly
    Depends which law you have in mind. Americans of any persuasion are not known for tolerating any legal restraint on their selfish interests. Try charging an American with war crimes for example and see how you get on. What Americans like to do is to impose laws that other countries have to abide by. On the whole, Obama is just a typical, common or garden example of an American president and probably a little bit less appalling than his predecessors Bush and Cheney.
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    13 Jun '14 09:41
    Originally posted by finnegan
    Depends which law you have in mind. Americans of any persuasion are not known for tolerating any legal restraint on their selfish interests. Try charging an American with war crimes for example and see how you get on. What Americans like to do is to impose laws that other countries have to abide by. On the whole, Obama is just a typical, common or garden ex ...[text shortened]... erican president and probably a little bit less appalling than his predecessors Bush and Cheney.
    in a nutshell.
  5. Standard memberKellyJay
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    13 Jun '14 10:31
    Originally posted by finnegan
    Depends which law you have in mind. Americans of any persuasion are not known for tolerating any legal restraint on their selfish interests. Try charging an American with war crimes for example and see how you get on. What Americans like to do is to impose laws that other countries have to abide by. On the whole, Obama is just a typical, common or garden ex ...[text shortened]... erican president and probably a little bit less appalling than his predecessors Bush and Cheney.
    Depending on which law, no all laws! If he can pick and chose which laws
    to obey or not, which laws to enforce or not, if he can just create laws by
    not going through the proper processes, that would be disrespecting the
    law.
    Kelly
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    13 Jun '14 10:58
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    Depending on which law, no all laws! If he can pick and chose which laws
    to obey or not, which laws to enforce or not, if he can just create laws by
    not going through the proper processes, that would be disrespecting the
    law.
    Kelly
    For the Progressive, a law is either a weapon to be used against an adversary, or an obstacle to be ignored.
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    13 Jun '14 10:59
    Originally posted by finnegan
    Depends which law you have in mind. Americans of any persuasion are not known for tolerating any legal restraint on their selfish interests. Try charging an American with war crimes for example and see how you get on. What Americans like to do is to impose laws that other countries have to abide by. On the whole, Obama is just a typical, common or garden ex ...[text shortened]... erican president and probably a little bit less appalling than his predecessors Bush and Cheney.
    It's been a wonderful Progressive era, hasn't it? 😵
  8. Standard memberKellyJay
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    13 Jun '14 13:472 edits
    Originally posted by whodey
    For the Progressive, a law is either a weapon to be used against an adversary, or an obstacle to be ignored.
    Seems so.
    If the law only cuts one way meaning it is allowed to harm one group and
    not another doing the same thing or worse. The law then becomes very
    worthless, and will cause a revolt if it isn't corrected. Everyone needs to
    be held accountable the same way for the same things, or the law is
    worthless, and the justice department who enforces law did this it would no
    longer worried be about justice it would be turned into a group of thugs
    pushing people around. Real justice gives them power, one sided justice
    makes them thugs.
    Kelly
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    13 Jun '14 16:441 edit
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    Seems so.
    If the law only cuts one way meaning it is allowed to harm one group and
    not another doing the same thing or worse. The law then becomes very
    worthless, and will cause a revolt if it isn't corrected. Everyone needs to
    be held accountable the same way for the same things, or the law is
    worthless, and the justice department who enforces law did ...[text shortened]... ushing people around. Real justice gives them power, one sided justice
    makes them thugs.
    Kelly
    This has been building since the days of Nixon.

    Sure he was forced to resign, but he never saw jail time. This showed that those in power over us are above the law. Today I doubt a President could be forced to resign like Nixon. The corruption keeps building on itself.

    Essentially you have lawmakers whine about Obama doing things "illegally" in both parties, but nothing is ever done.
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    13 Jun '14 17:36
    Originally posted by whodey
    This has been building since the days of Nixon.

    Sure he was forced to resign, but he never saw jail time. This showed that those in power over us are above the law. Today I doubt a President could be forced to resign like Nixon. The corruption keeps building on itself.

    Essentially you have lawmakers whine about Obama doing things "illegally" in both parties, but nothing is ever done.
    Without a sure foundation it will fall, shifting sands will not hold up anything
    over time.
    Kelly
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    13 Jun '14 19:40
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    Without a sure foundation it will fall, shifting sands will not hold up anything
    over time.
    Kelly
    Hopefully soon enough things will change one way or the other.
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    13 Jun '14 20:15
    Originally posted by Eladar
    Hopefully soon enough things will change one way or the other.
    I'm sure they will, I fear that the heat is being turned up slowly to the point
    that freedom will die.
    Kelly
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    13 Jun '14 20:17
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    I'm sure they will, I fear that the heat is being turned up slowly to the point
    that freedom will die.
    Kelly
    Will die?
  14. Standard memberKellyJay
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    13 Jun '14 20:35
    Originally posted by Eladar
    Will die?
    Look at what is going on in US, the rule of law is ignored, the government is
    starting to use the IRS as a weapon ignored, the government is spying on
    Americans ignored, the government setup guns to drug lords ignored, the
    debt of the this country is 17T in debt and climbing ignored, the boarders
    are wide open and kids are coming by the thousands over whelming the
    ability to deal with them and it is almost completely ignored, and I guess
    I could on. I think change is coming, and it will not be good when it settles
    down into every day life freedom is dying.
    Kelly
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    13 Jun '14 20:36
    Originally posted by finnegan
    Depends which law you have in mind. Americans of any persuasion are not known for tolerating any legal restraint on their selfish interests. Try charging an American with war crimes for example and see how you get on. What Americans like to do is to impose laws that other countries have to abide by. On the whole, Obama is just a typical, common or garden ex ...[text shortened]... erican president and probably a little bit less appalling than his predecessors Bush and Cheney.
    If you want to compare Obama to other US presidents, Cheney isn't part of that.

    Most Presidents in recent memory have significantly ignored laws they didn't favor, in some cases attempting to repeal or modify them. Other tactics include failure to enforce, executive order contrary to law. Unlawful use of federal agencies for partisan ends.

    Obama seems near the top on all of those counts.
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